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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:54:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Yep, that's normal. It's a dumb mechanic, because it pushes people away from each other rather than creating group play and has a very low "value add" impact. It's impossible to prevent awoxers getting in entirely (especially if you are a line member, not a director), and when they dot hey can freely blap corp members. Realistically if they removed the ability to kill corp members it would go a long way to getting people to move out of the safety of NPC corps and "me an my alts" corps which get way too much focus nowadays.
Your best bet is to stick to an NPC corp though. The more people refusing to leave NPC corps, the more likely someone is going to take a look and say "hold on a minute, we should really be looking to encourage group play here".
Lucas, when a mother bird wants her children to fly, she pushes their asses outta the nest. She doesnt ask for the tree to lower itself to the ground.
Removing AWOXing would be just one more brick on the road to warcraft. I regret to inform you that your heresy in requesting added sissification to the game, by removing the requirement to perform background checks and vet your new members -- has forced me to add your name to the kill-it-forward program. An innocent carebear will be destroyed, in your name, and will be advised to contact you for compensation of lost assets.
May BOB have mercy on your soul. Killboard
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:21:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: .... it's not like it's done as a method of creating content, it's done to annoy.
I must respectfully disagree. I have several cohorts who pay for their EVE subscriptions by AWOXing corps and ransoming players. It is a legitimate occupation in EVE.
Lucas Kell wrote: The end result of awoxing is that players stay out of player corporations and either stay in NPC corps or roll their own corps. If that's an end result you are happy with then fair enough, play on. I'll continue to advise people to stick to those NPC corps if they want to be sure to avoid awoxing.
The end result of AWOXing SHOULD be to tighten your corporate security down, maybe NOT fly that epic faction battleship with "the new guy", or fleet up with your corpmates and BLAP THE AWOXER.
Nothing in EVE is meant to be 100% secure -- including corporations. Further heretical replies to this topic will result in additional carebears being exposed to vacuum in your name.
Killboard
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:23:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Actually, I think RR should go suspect if you rep a corp mate attacking another corpmate.
Right now RR can freely help the awoxer.
Dunno how big a fix that would be but it will certainly make the awoxer think twice if he has to risk loosing a RR boat.
I don't think removing corp killing will bring in NPC chars since those same people also want wardecs to go away. Just add sufficient risk to the awoxer.
THAT part is broken... and I think we have all expected it to change for some time.
But until it goes away.... Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.23 22:27:00 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Yeah let's feed this more. The guy is part of a corporation referencing can flipping. What more of a hint did you meed?
The thread no longer belongs to the OP. Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.24 00:38:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:I guess this answers a question I was going to ask.
Apparently a freighter will align/warp faster if it's being webbed, but I thought webbing another ship would be a hostile action, and make you criminal/concorded so that didn't make sense to me.
So making the OP's suggested change would make multi-billion isk cargo freighters MORE vulnerable to hisec ganking indirectly.
Correct?
What would make logical sense to me is corpmate vs. corpmate being illegal, but fleetmates can shoot/web/etc. each other. If I stab the guy sitting next to me here at work, the cops are gonna get involved, not just the company security staff. But if we are playing football, I can tackle him.
No. Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:54:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Are you a moron? Like really? I play with others, hence my membership of a null corporation. I'd like other people to play with others too, but many high sec players are put off, because the second they dip their toe out of their comfort zones, some ****** beats them into the ground and runs off laughing. How can you POSSIBLY expect newbies to take the plunge when every time they try they get beaten down?
Lucas, name calling is a bad thing, especially when you are calling out respected citizens of C&P like Tengu Grib. Dont do that. Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:56:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: Mammy Thule moves like a SULTRY mynx and can cook like nobodies business.
Fixed that for you.
Also, how did you get out of jail so fast? I figured the penalties for skulking around nursing homes, looking in windows, while naked, covered in peanut butter would have been a tad stiffer? Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.28 05:28:00 -
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I think Lucas just enjoys arguing for arguing sake.
Here's hoping for a hole close to SMA space soon =ƒÿê Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:02:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: Sorry but you are wrong. Removal of AWOXIGN would just remove an exception to the ALREADY standard rule of agression in high sec. An exception that pays no purpose and reduces the recruitment of neew players. The reduction on the recruitement damages player retentaion, and the oens taht stay, are bouind to pass too long in NPC corps, having a high chance of contracting the carebear virus.
Looks like more people are on my side than yours on this point.
Cheers. Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:03:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Sarcasm alert.
No ****? Killboard
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2014.07.28 14:02:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Shocking. The most vocal people on C&P are the people that support awoxing. Truly, I'm shocked.
Well, duh.
Lucas Kell wrote: Honestly, the chances are though it will remain as it is forever, because that's generally how this game goes. We'll continue to see a decrease in ACU count, and an increase in the membership of NPC corporations, and people like you will keep bitching about risk averse carebears. There's no way given the current state of player run corps that CCP could do anything to push people out of NPC corps since the majority would simply unsub, and if you are entirely unwilling to compromise, then you can't expect the carebears to expose themselves to the risks just to feed you easy kills.
Lucas, in all honestly, I dont think the reason that people are in NPC corps is because of AWOXing. There are two types of player that come to mind for NPC shelter-bunnies. ( I am not referring to neutral alts, haulers, scouts, ect -- just FYI here.)
First, people who are hesitant to get out and try to become social. I know quite a few people (myself included, to a degree, at first..) who are hesitant to actually interact with other players -- for whatever reason. ( Teamspeak shy, ect.)
Second, the players who are there simply to avoid risk in the first place. War refugees, ect. AWOXing, I would say, has little to do with the decision, as one who wished to avoid it could simply make a one man corp anyhow.
I am not defending my point on this topic because I want "easy noob kills". Please reference my killboard and point out the noobs if you see anything that does not support that statement. I dont even think the majority of AWOX targets are noobs, as a real AWOXer wants ASSETS and ISK, something newer players are unlikely to have in abundance. A successful AWOX also leaves no trace on killboards... meaning that if ransom was paid, its in the AWOXer's interest to honor it. Its one less blue on blue kill on their board, and that means the next mark is just that much easier.
Killboard
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2014.07.28 15:17:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: You do not get it? It s not about AWOXING new players! It that established corp do not recruit new players, because the new players are likely to be alts made solely to awox their older members. That makes corps automatically reject any player under 6 months old, and that makes those players stuck in NPC corps... and contaminated by the carebear virus.
My response was to LUCAS, whom keeps insisting that the point of AWOXing is to kill new players. I "get it" just fine. Nothing is preventing those players from forming their own corps. Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.28 15:28:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: Irrelevant.. if more people being on one side meant that side was smarter.. USA and other democracies would have never elected some " challenged" presidents.
Lol, conceded.
Kagura Nikon wrote: I , on other hand, am far superior intellectually to you, therefore I can see the truth clearly.
Sick burn? Ill just dismiss this. You dont know me, and I dont know you, so that is a pretty pointless thing to say. If you really wish to judge someone's intellectual prowess based on the content of their internet spaceship forum postings, I could argue that your sentence structure and horrible spelling imply that your are intellectually inferior. But I wont. Killboard
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Leto Thule
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Posted - 2014.07.28 15:53:00 -
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Since this is now a discussion between Lucas Kell and C&P, ill just sum it up with this:
There are obviously two different sides of the table here. I will justify my support of the current AWOX mechanic because it provides a way to be a pirate in hisec without ganking (not the only means, I am aware) and I view it as a legitimate occupation.
Lucas, you keep saying the CEO is the only way to mitigate risk. I disagree. You can avoid getting caught by the AWOX by flying together, establishing an idea of who a new recruit is before going out with them by yourself flying a blue-and-green fit mission boat, or having a corp that is willing to help you out once you get tackled.
At this point ill just agree to disagree with you. You have your opinions and I have mine, and thats what the sandbox concept is all about.
o/ Killboard
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Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:55:00 -
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New player retention.
Now there is a valid problem. I think that this is the ONLY part of this discussion that truly does need action by CCP.
Eve is a great game, once you discover what its really about and how to play it. This game does rely heavily on instruction by the existing player base. The game itself teaches nothing but the most basic controls, and makes no mention of things like "locator agents" until you stumble across them. (During my first wardec, i thought people were finding me through the "Agent Locator" lmfao..)
The EvE tutorial needs to be expanded. It should show players what to be aware of. Show them how to DSCAN. Show them how to warp without using autopilot (seriously, it doesnt cover that). Flat out TELL new players that they need to be aware of scammers. Loss in this game is permanent, and should be showcased in some fashion.
I had to learn the game the hard way, and perhaps thats how it was intended, but I really do think that someone new to the game deserves the tools to get started with. Killboard
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